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Reviewer: elfscribe Signed [Report This]
Date: July 04, 2013 - 09:23 am
Title: Indis

Excellent bio, as always, Oshun.  Much food for thought.  It's interesting that most of the history of First Age Arda evolves from Miriel's severe case of postpartum depression.  I have to say that, once again, the Valar do not come off so well with the business of Finwe having to make a decision that bans Miriel from ever being reborn in order to marry Indis.  Or that in the end all three of them have to end up separate and lonely.  I also like to point this story out to any LaCE canatics about elves marrying once and for all eternity. 



Author's Response:

I am laughing. It surely does sounds brutal in modern terms. Valar to Finwe: "We are not happy about this situation. We've considered the options and we think you are in the right. Miriel has been a self-indulgent whiner, unwilling to soldier on. So, we will grant you your divorce; but we will have kill Miriel. She already said she didn't care!" I actually like Finwe, but I continue to have trouble liking the Valar, except for a few select ones. 

Reviewer: pandemonium_213 Signed [Report This]
Date: July 03, 2013 - 07:40 am
Title: Indis

Very nice summary of Indis!  I especially appreciated the discussion of dynastic marriage and the likelihood that this influenced Tolkien's narrative of Miriel, Finwë, and Indis.  As always, you bring lively opinion to the bio (hmmm..."illustrious...and magnificent Fëanor" — your partisanship is showing, m'dear ;^)), and my interest is piqued by what you say about Indis — that she must have been one tough cookie.

Tolkien's text of Finwë stating that one can love two women has always moved me and stands as an example that, despite his devout belief*, he was more than capable of nuanced thoughts on the matter.

Finally, a bit of criticism (because I know you can take it from me ;^)):  where did you come up with "Ninety percent of the Noldor" bolting from Aman?  Source?  That kind of quantitative estimate is new to me.   I'd be more inclined to say "most" or "the majority of..."

*Tolkien's draft letter (#49 in The Letters of JRR Tolkien, ed. H. Carpenter) to C.S. Lewis in response to the latter's proposal that "there ought to be two distinct kinds of marriage': Christian marriage, which is binding and lifelong, and marriage-contracts solemnised only by the State, which make no such demands" provides considerable illumination to the matters of Finwë and his two wives as well as Laws and Customs of the Eldar.



Author's Response:

Aww! Thanks. I bit off more than I chew with that one--or at least more than I could do justice to in less than two days with a computer crisis day before yesterday. (Ignoble Bard fixed my computer when it acted like it had been invaded--but it ruined my day on Monday.) That is an extremely interesting quote from the Letters.

Ooops! I used the 90 because it is so striking and I have had my hands on his source before. I should not have used without finding it again--I just forgot. It slipped by me yesterday. (It might be a while--I've lost things before in the mess that is HoMe and found them again. I lost that stuff about Nerdanel and her skill with both realism and abstract art and then finally found it again in a very visible place. I will footnote the 90 percent as soon as I can.) I wondered if I had made it up and then a while back saw it again but neglected to tag it.

Reviewer: lindahoyland Signed [Report This]
Date: July 02, 2013 - 11:28 pm
Title: Indis

A most enjoyable and informative essay. Congratulations on your 50th!



Author's Response:

Thank you so much, Linda! You are so kind.

Reviewer: Dawn Felagund Signed [Report This]
Date: July 02, 2013 - 08:53 pm
Title: Indis

Thank You, Oshun--50 Character Bios!



Author's Response:

I am absolutely speechless. There are so many awesome remarks in these notes! From all of you brilliant, geeky, quirky, amazing creatures who make up the most awesome fandom in the history of fandoms! The Tolkien fandom is pretty cool, but the Silmarillion corner is the Hardcore! The Real Thing. I love every minute I spend on the SWG. I've said since its inception that it is my home. Awww!

OMG! Nobody but Dawn knows what I do to her each month. Late and filled with typos! Hey, she's young! Thank you so much everyone. And thank you, Dawn, for dreaming this up and then asking me if I wanted to do it.

I saw the top of this thing because I got a review notice. And I thought. Awww. How cute! I bet that is Dawn. I had no idea. Alex is still up (school vacation) and has been counting the number of notes over my shoulder. He gets a different number every time.




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